Ontario Selling NWO Forests to Quebec Co.s : Thunderbay IMC

Two northeastern, value-added forest companies are taking issue with the provincial government’s action to sell their wood supply to Quebec competitors.

Grant Forest Products in Timmins consumes more than one million-board feet of poplar a year for their oriented strand board plant. However, since a labour dispute closed the mill in early September, up to 100,000-cubic metres of wood has been sold to companies in Quebec upon approval of the Ontario government, says Bob Fleet, vice president of woodland operations and environment for Grant.

“The wood we see as being critical to ever opening the mill again is being sold to our competitors, so we don’t understand why the government of Ontario would let this happen,” Fleet says.

Even if the company was to resolve their labour differences, there is no guarantee the mill would open again because the wood being harvested is the company’s closest feed source. Mobilizing logging crews for areas farther away means the company’s operating costs double and this makes “opening the mill almost impossible.”

“Frankly, this wood should have never been cut,” Fleet says.

Binding contracts were signed under the forest license agreements and their license holders, in this case, Domtar. The current situation conflicts with at least one of those contracts, Fleet says. Gaetan Malette, Domtar’s vice president of Ontario sawmills, did not want to comment on the matter.

Grant has control over one week’s supply of wood. The remainig 51 weeks of the year Fleet’s inventory comes from larger competitors operating in the same area.

Down the road in Timmins on Hwy. 101 Little John Enterprise is experiencing some challenges of its own. Owner John Kapel, Sr. told the Ministry of Natural Resources he would not harvest his respected conifer lots this winter because of a surplus, but would in the new year. He has discovered that the ministry approved Quebec based-Scierie Landrienne, would purchase the fibre from their Timmins Forest Product operations where they own a 51 per cent share.

“That wood has to stay until next year because we don’t know what is going to happen next year,” Kapel says.

Gerald Cregheur, a logging technician with Landrienne says the company had to undergo an extensive approval process where six other Ontario mills had the first right of refusal before they could pick it up. That does not satisfy Kapel.

“I signed a letter with the Governor General over that wood. It is mine for life,” Kapel says. “Every year it is renewed for five years. I have another year to go and it is not supposed to be cut because it belongs to me.”

Kapel says Quebec legislation dictates no private or public wood leaves their province in a round form. In Ontario however,” there are places where the wood is barreling out of the district to Quebec (in raw form),” he says.

Ontario’s historic flows indicate no more than two per cent of Ontario’s Crown wood goes to Quebec, Minister of Natural Resources David Ramsay says. In fact, the province is a net importer of raw wood receiving material from New York, Minnesota and Manitoba. It does not receive Quebec fibre. The circumstances around the two mills have left Ramsay defending his position on wood harvesting. Not approving the transfer of Ontario wood to Quebec means “I would have to put all the bush workers out (of work), so tough, that is the way we do business.”

Kapel says most of the workers going into the lots are from Quebec.Loggers fuel up in Quebec, drive trucks into Crown lands and haul out hundreds of conifer loads back to their province. Up to 90 loads have been taken off Kapel’s licensed area alone.

As for the inventory closest to the Grant operation, Ramsay says, “if Grant is producing material then it is their wood, if not, we have to keep the work going. They are the guys out of work and I am not going to put the people out of work because the buyer has a temporary labour dispute. That is not fair to families in Northern Ontario.”

In spite of many northern mills closing from a lagging American housing market, Ramsay says the province has “gotten off relatively scot-free,” in comparison to the Quebec neighbours where more than half the mills are shut down. This comment found in the Canadian Press came on the heals of Tembec’s closure in Smooth Rock Falls, Timmins and Red Rock and announcements of major restructuring is impending for Thunder Bay’s Bowater plant.

In fairness, the David Ramsay-Dalton McGuinty government has done more for the forestry sector than previous governments, yet Fleet cannot “understand why provincially they are doing the right thing and yet locally they are getting it so wrong by allowing our wood to go to our competitors in another province.”

Ramsay says there is a market for fibre in Quebec and if companies continue to stockpile it in Ontario no revenue is coming in and “you can’t keep working without payment.”

"We don't understand why the government of Ontario would let this happen"

Remember.... Level the playing field. Are you leveled yet? Leveled with china! A day’s food for a days pay! Do you get it slave?

It's time to get angry.... real angry.....

And then what Bob? Violently overthrow the established democratic governments of the west and seize the means of production for yourselves? That’s been tried remember? How many dead after your last little foray into creating a workers paradise? 1,000,000,000 dead comes to mind worldwide but let’s say for argument that I’m off by half. Wow, that’s a lot of dead people to try that little stunt again. Oh right I get it now, you’ll be the ones in power so as long as you and yours aren’t part of the dead half billion then what does it matter?

Ah well, with 60% comfortably middle class in the west (well above global standards) and well under 20% in any real dire straights, despots in waiting like you can fortunately be laughed off.

"Violently overthrow the established democratic governments of the west".... " a workers paradise?... "seize the means of production" ;" 1,000,000,000 dead comes to mind"...

" with 60% comfortably middle class "... " well under 20% in any real dire straights " " despots in waiting like you can fortunately be laughed off.

Ronan ? Where do you get this stuff. Ronan, do you write at night when you come home from the CIA. If not you should.

Ronan you're wasting your time and talent trying to undermine this site. Perhaps you should write Television scripts. Try 24... its a show you'd like. But hurry .... Treason is a dangerous game.

Robert Wiley often says things like “It's time to get angry.... real angry.....” in his threads. So he’s suggesting that you should get angry and give the government and capitalists what, a good finger wagging? Getting angry and voting in a communist or massively socialist government (two cheeks of the same ass of course)? Get real man. He’s talking about the proletariat rising up and seizing the means of production for yourselves, the anointed ones who have all the answers.

Isn’t that right Bob? Or are you disavowing all violent forms of dissent?
"

Let me clarify

Its time for Canadians to unite; they can get as angry as they like it’s a free country!

We need to unite with our families, relatives and communities. Its time to get involved with the political process and It's time to work to insure that lawfully elected people are put in place to insure that the public good is protected. It is also time to prepare for the challenges to come.

Point of illumination (that’s you god of wine)

“He’s talking about the proletariat rising up and seizing the means of production for yourselves, the anointed ones who have all the answers. “;” Isn’t that right Bob?”

NO it isn’t Ronan! Or would you prefer anointed one?

Or are you disavowing all violent forms of dissent? Yes I do Mr. anointed one!

Canadians do not need to use violence;” I do not need to use violence. “I believe, as do most Canadians that you Ronan and your anointed masters of production can continue to Produce. However you and the other lords and ladies will need to obey the same laws that we the double ass proletariat have to. If you don’t Mr. anointed one you might find out that the sword of justice has a double edge and that your one lie short!

Is that real enough for you God of wine!

Ps. WE are not…. I am not afraid of you…. Do what you will. We will win in the end…

God save Canada

Robert Wiley

I Like You Ronan
by Lonely Bush worker Wednesday, Jan. 10, 2007 at 10:47 AM

I agree agree. Ronan It sounds like your a little frustrated.

Well Bob, I certainly glad that you’re not afraid of me. No one should be afraid of defending their political opinions unless they can’t stand up to scrutiny. So I get that you’re not a sissy, that’s good. I don’t quite understand the statement anyways. I come here because I enjoy dissent and passionate discourse. What’s the point of going a site that I completely agree with? I only seem like a rightist here because you guys are so far to the left. I’m actually a social centrist and a fiscal conservative. Cripes I’m considering voting Green in the next election, hardly the Devil incarnate.

You need not try to turn the “anointed ones” phrase around because first off it’s reserved for arrogant leftists that think that anyone with a difference of opinion is a) stupid, b) racist or c) part of the established ruling class and thus disqualified from holding a legitimate opinion. I cannot, even by your pretzel logic be “an anointed one” because I’m just a middle class working guy that happens to think that extreme socialism is a soul sucking force of evil in the world like organized religion. But alas some of you don’t seem to have evolved past the need for bosses that they can hand over the thinking to, as they would in your socialist paradise.

I am pleased (no sarcasm here) that you eschew all forms of violence regarding changing our society. That includes all riots for peace or any such unpleasantness at G8 summits etc. right? If so that’s super and I appreciate your clarification. You often come across with statements that seem to promote violence. Or at least that’s what I’ve read into them. I’ll put it down to passion in the future and if there’s two ways to take a statement of yours I’ll assume that you meant it metaphorically. Unless of course you say “rise up and kill this or that group”.

Oh, and by the way, there is no God to save Canada; we are on our own and have to do it ourselves. Also, you won’t “win” in the end because socialists are incompetent economic managers and people inevitably recognize that all the selfish goodies that you want need to be paid for. And frankly what “do what you will” mean anyways (what the heck are you thinking)? You’re way too dramatic. Not to mention the fact that most people bristle at the ever increasing laws, rules and social engineering that the anointed ones can’t help but constantly burden the people with. So you see you’re doomed to obscurity. Canadians wisely will always choose the middle (it being a free country as long as we keep out the far leftists that would chip away at that freedom). A little left this election and a little right that election but always just a bit off centre. The people (with some sad exceptions) are far too prosperous for your foolish experiments. So to end this, while society will always need some tweaking, generally it’s pretty just. It certainly doesn’t need the whole sale tearing down and rebuilding that you seem to think.

"We came from the people, we remain part of the people, and see ourselves as the executor of the people's will."

Wow, quick come back. You've really showed me. What are you in grade 8?

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